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  9/11 Attacks-- No planes say conspiracy theorists

  by Kenneson in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ianone and others have been spreading their propaganda on this forum and elsewhere on the internet for quite some time that it was not commercial airliners but smaller planes, rockets, or detonations that brought down the world trade center and hit the pentagon.

  but zacarias moussaoui disagrees with them.

  see " 9/11 attacks.

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  zen nudist

  No, the people attacking the established FACT of a 757 full of humans hitting the Pentagon (which is what I was commenting on) ARE, by definiton, accusing the eye-witnesses of a AA 757 hitting the Pentagon, and those who lost friends or family who were on that plane, of lying. It is impossible to dispute the AA 757 hitting the Pentagon story WITHOUT calling the bereaved and eye-witnessess liars, and still have an internally consistant theory.

  no one is accusing the those who lost friends and family on the plane of anything -- false straw man arguement

  no one is accusing the bereaved of lying....as to the eye witnesses, who are they? where is their testimony? where is the footage of the interviews, I have seen some say they thought the plane looked way to small....so no one is calling them liars.
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  9/11 Attacks-- No planes say conspiracy theorists

  by Kenneson in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ianone and others have been spreading their propaganda on this forum and elsewhere on the internet for quite some time that it was not commercial airliners but smaller planes, rockets, or detonations that brought down the world trade center and hit the pentagon.

  but zacarias moussaoui disagrees with them.

  see " 9/11 attacks.

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  zen nudist

  I think that DVD has been proven to be a hoax. I've heard about it and know people who saw it.

  On the other hand, I've seen photos, of the Pentagon area after the disaster, and you can see luggage, and the wheel assembly and lots of other large pieces of debris from the jet.

  DVD's can be faked...........the eyewitnesses are more reliable, I would say.

  I have never seen such proof that it is a hoax and I have only seen some eye witnesses who were interviewed and the ones I saw said the plane looked too small to be the 757. also, have you seen any of the film from the camera's which were pointed at the pentagon? I have not.

  only one picture which does not show a plane the size required and it has a smoke trail which looks more like a missle than a plane.

  But now you have lost all of your credibility with the idiocy you have posted.

  attacking the arguer rather than the arguement? the refutation you have provided has nothing I can check...

  show me the images of the wreckage, show me the film of the eye witnesses being interviewed, show me that I am wrong and I will gladly retract what I have said, but from what I have had availible to me and what I have seen, I dont have anything else to go on.... sure I could be wrong, but I think you are have lost my respect by calling me an idiot for posting what seems compelling to me from the data I have had to view.... and I know cowards like you would never say such a thing to my face.
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  9/11 Attacks-- No planes say conspiracy theorists

  by Kenneson in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ianone and others have been spreading their propaganda on this forum and elsewhere on the internet for quite some time that it was not commercial airliners but smaller planes, rockets, or detonations that brought down the world trade center and hit the pentagon.

  but zacarias moussaoui disagrees with them.

  see " 9/11 attacks.

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  zen nudist

  So did you actually examine the evidence or did you just read that on one of the many conspiracy sites? Perhaps you'd like to share the evidence you found?

  my brother has a DVD with dozens of photos and videos of the events in question, there is no doubt once you see these images

  that no plane the size of the official version hit the pentagon.... there is no debris even remotely resembling such a hit

  where the building was exposed later...there are many areas where no damage from the supposed jet feul explosion exists...there is even a clear shot of book sitting on a stool on the 2nd floor, right at the edge of the damaged section.

  where are the images of the bodies, plane parts, wheels, wings? the tail damage where it had to have hit the roof ...nothing.

  the initial hole before the roof fell was very very small too.
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  Leaving the Truth - Songs to Destroy Your Faith By

  by tetrapod.sapien in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  as some of you may know, i am a recently self-deconverted jw.

  the experience of deconversion was at times emotional.

  i have compiled a list of songs i would listen to on those emotionally turbulent occasions.

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  zen nudist

  we're ex-jehovah's witnesses

  we speak out in fearlessness

  our's are the scars of true honesty

  what we desire's more to leave.

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  Kiss my a$$, less fraud and anger

  and I finally get my way

  happy are all they that leave J dub -uh-a ewes today.
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  Is yours a PURPOSE DRIVEN life?

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  are you coasting along day by day taking it as it comes?.

  are you planning for emergencies and setting aside for the unexpected?

  sacrificing here and there to have something later?.

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  zen nudist

  I have found that life has no purpose. there is no meaning of life.

  the only goals that seems to matter to me are those which satisfy the needs that arise so as to restore my peaceful state of mind.

  I deal with each one as they arise if I can, and coordinate those which cannot be satisfied immediately so that I can satisfy them later.

  in seeking the perfection of each moment, I find greater peace then when I rejected the current moment because it did not live up to ideal fantasies from religious mythologies.
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  9/11 Attacks-- No planes say conspiracy theorists

  by Kenneson in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ianone and others have been spreading their propaganda on this forum and elsewhere on the internet for quite some time that it was not commercial airliners but smaller planes, rockets, or detonations that brought down the world trade center and hit the pentagon.

  but zacarias moussaoui disagrees with them.

  see " 9/11 attacks.

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  zen nudist

  anyone who examines the evidence will see

  that no plane --resembling the official version --hit the pentagon

  there was no wreckage, there was no sign of damage from the impace of a large plane before the roof collapsed

  planes do not evaporate
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  What is the most accurate translation....

  by jaffacake in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have just read a couple of excellent booklets ordered from r watters freeminds site dealing with the tetragrammaton.

  the nwt seems to be an accurate translation of hebrew scriptures, and correctly reinstates an english alternative to the tetragrammaton.

  but they nwt new testament is wholly unacceptable (although the kingdom interlinear portoin seems excellent).

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  zen nudist

  since the only ones who would know which is best would be the authors....no such luck

  www.blueletterbible.org has many translations on line with the orignial greek and hebrew and their strong's concordance data plus comentaries

  all in all, if you cant find it there, you probably wont be satisfied anywhere else.
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  Did you learn anything from the bible?

  by JH in

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  did reading the bible change anything in your life?

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  zen nudist

  I am not sure I learned a single useful thing from studying the bible other than

  how to expand the range of topics I can discuss with others...which is by no means useless come to think of it (^_^)
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  Do You Know Of Malcontent ExJWs That Bitch About Life Because.....?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they were jws and blame everything on their jw past???

  i know of people that never tried to get ahead or prosper themselves because they were witnesses.

  never bought a house or a brand new car because they would rather rent and drive around in a jalopy that would break down.

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  I think the fundamental problem starts with a false assumption.

  where was it written prior to your birth here that life need be fair to anyone in the ideal sense that everyone has an equal shot at health wealth and ability?

  80% and more go to bed hungry every day without adequate shelter and are generally in poor health.... its really odd that so many can ignore this and whine that they were taken advantage of by JWs while still better than kings of the ancient worlds could ever dream.
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  AN EXCUSE TO HATE?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i ask this question rather seriously.

  isn't religion actually an excuse to hate?

  you quickly learn us vs them and who is who.

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  zen nudist

  anytime you place an idea or ideal above the one who holds it you have a cause for hatred

  there are many ways to do this, some are called religious, other political, others simply idealogical, but slice it any way you wish

  it boils down to seeing other humans as nothing more than containers and thus valueless if they contain the wrong things which enables others to justify murder.

  if humans are seen as the valuable part and their ideas as transitory elements, then there is never a justification to murder one who only needs a software upgrade.

  the notion of good and evil which stems from core human superstitions tends to label people with a stink they cannot wash off no matter what they do... a far better label might be mentally or physically ill.. .which alters the focus from hatred to pity, from destruction to seeking cures.

  not all religions teach hatred. Buddhism for one, teaches that all sentient life [with certain exceptions in NJ] are valuable.

  and agnostics do not generate hatred... you will never hear of an agnostic holy war